Norman Pederast
That's the big lie - yes, everyone thought Saddam had something, but almost no-one thought that he had much that was a threat to the US or his own neighbours. And given Saddam's stunning defeat in 1991 and miniscule military budget compared to the US - this was pretty obvious.
Absolutely. The relentlessly oversold it with their vague yet oh so threatening talk of mushroom clouds and poison-spewing drone airplanes. Even if Hussein had had a few WMD he had nothing with which he could have projected any force against his neighbors. If anyone had thought about it for a second they would have realized there was no one Iraq could have safely attacked. Iran, Turkey, Syria or Israel? They'd have crushed him. Kuwait, Jordan or Saudi Arabia? Under American protection. This notion of Hussein as some kind of regional threat was pure fantasy.
Posted by: Stefan
It's just an attempt to pull their fat out of the fire by spreading the lie "everyone knew," meme.
No, not everyone knew.
What everyone knew was that Rumsfeld, Rice, and Cheney were all parroting, "MUSHROOM CLOUD!"
The whole batch of them relied on fear mongering, and it work.
We're cursed because we believed the lie, but those 3 are damned because they knew it was a lie.
May the blood of all who were killed because of Bush and his White House circus of clowns have their Justice on judgement day.
Posted by: sheerahkahn
I'm sort of surprised they're running with the "he did it too" defense. Such an arguement produces an involuntary cringe in any parent who has raised multiple kids. It comes off as rather weak and childish (to which the parent invariably responds "we're not discussing your siblings now!".) This goes beyond running for bipartisan cover.
Though I was never a fan of Reagan, somehow I just can't conjur up the image of the Gipper resorting to this page in the playbook.
Posted by: pvjeff
You keeping saying the admin. was lying but the absense of WMD material does not prove a lie.
Yes, but the undeniable presence of cites of falsified information DOES prove a lie, you sick fuck.
There has been no documented proof showing the admin. staged any kind of lies.
. . . except for Scooter Libby's indictment for lying, perjury, and obstruction of justice.
Posted by: Osama_Been_Forgotten
But meatshit, which were the reasons BushCheneyRummyRice gave for having to invade Iraq right now?
WMD's. That's all, nothing else. Not that Saddam was a bad man. Not that he supposedly had ties to them tarrists, none of that.
Which is why Feith and Rummy started their own little intelligence ops at the Pentagon.
Which is why Cheney paid mulitple visits to the CIA, to lean on them to slant the intel to fit their vision.
And how telling is that you are repeating that tired old lie, about Saddam being buddies with AQ, from that laughable book by that loser Stephen Hayes based on a single policy memo written by, Feith of all people. Wow, imagine that!
I feel sorry for you cheerleaders, Meathead, but I guess you can sit there and clap loudly for the dear leader all you want.
Posted by: Leonard Skinner
I see we're beginning to develop the Dems '06 campaign strategy:
1) Well OK, Bush wasn't the only one that lied about the war, but hey, we're the left so we'll pound him anyway.
2) We wail and gnash our teeth at jokes we don't approve of.
3) We believe red staters are uneducated morons (but we want their votes).
I bet the Republican's are quaking in their boots at this hard hitting agenda.
Posted by: conspiracy nut
the POTUS is not supposed to be Joe Schmuck on the corner sampling what everyone else is saying as support of his beliefs.
The POTUS has a solomn obligation to be correct, ESPECIALLY when it comes to invasion.
The POTUS has the largest array of tools and information of ANYONE ELSE IN THE WORLD to make sure s/he is correct.
To abuse the solomn vows of the office of POTUS and twist the massive capabilities of the US for self-serving purpose, to willfully cause massive death, maiming, and destruction is way, way beyond the ability of words to convey the evil vileness of such a being.
.
Posted by: gak
Remember Rummys brilliant line "The abscence of evidence is not the evidence of abscence" When commenting on the lack of any wmd found by the investigators. Sounded like bullshit then and is proven to be bullshit now. Of course they lied to make that war happen, the question is can we get enough evidence put together to prove it in court.
Posted by: tb
Podhoretz is a bought-and-paid-for shill for the Bush administration, and for the neo-fascist, corporate-feudalist ruling class generally.
That's the only thing that needs to be said -- and that's what very much needs to be said, loudly and clearly and repeatedly, about Podhoretz and the rest of his kind, not only in the right-wing extremist media but in the corporate-owned mass media as well.
Stop playing their game and legitimizing them by pretending that they are offering serious "arguments" worthy of serious consideration. They are nothing but bought-and-paid-for propaganda mouthpieces for the Bush regime and for corporate power, period, and everything they have to say is scripted, programmed propaganda.
Posted by: SecularAnimist
Let's always recall that Norman Podhoretz is the author of "Making It" (1967) -- a memoir about how he never let principle stand in the way of his career -- and remember to treat him accordingly.
Posted by: penalcolony
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2005_11/007530.php
Absolutely. The relentlessly oversold it with their vague yet oh so threatening talk of mushroom clouds and poison-spewing drone airplanes. Even if Hussein had had a few WMD he had nothing with which he could have projected any force against his neighbors. If anyone had thought about it for a second they would have realized there was no one Iraq could have safely attacked. Iran, Turkey, Syria or Israel? They'd have crushed him. Kuwait, Jordan or Saudi Arabia? Under American protection. This notion of Hussein as some kind of regional threat was pure fantasy.
Posted by: Stefan
It's just an attempt to pull their fat out of the fire by spreading the lie "everyone knew," meme.
No, not everyone knew.
What everyone knew was that Rumsfeld, Rice, and Cheney were all parroting, "MUSHROOM CLOUD!"
The whole batch of them relied on fear mongering, and it work.
We're cursed because we believed the lie, but those 3 are damned because they knew it was a lie.
May the blood of all who were killed because of Bush and his White House circus of clowns have their Justice on judgement day.
Posted by: sheerahkahn
I'm sort of surprised they're running with the "he did it too" defense. Such an arguement produces an involuntary cringe in any parent who has raised multiple kids. It comes off as rather weak and childish (to which the parent invariably responds "we're not discussing your siblings now!".) This goes beyond running for bipartisan cover.
Though I was never a fan of Reagan, somehow I just can't conjur up the image of the Gipper resorting to this page in the playbook.
Posted by: pvjeff
You keeping saying the admin. was lying but the absense of WMD material does not prove a lie.
Yes, but the undeniable presence of cites of falsified information DOES prove a lie, you sick fuck.
There has been no documented proof showing the admin. staged any kind of lies.
. . . except for Scooter Libby's indictment for lying, perjury, and obstruction of justice.
Posted by: Osama_Been_Forgotten
But meatshit, which were the reasons BushCheneyRummyRice gave for having to invade Iraq right now?
WMD's. That's all, nothing else. Not that Saddam was a bad man. Not that he supposedly had ties to them tarrists, none of that.
Which is why Feith and Rummy started their own little intelligence ops at the Pentagon.
Which is why Cheney paid mulitple visits to the CIA, to lean on them to slant the intel to fit their vision.
And how telling is that you are repeating that tired old lie, about Saddam being buddies with AQ, from that laughable book by that loser Stephen Hayes based on a single policy memo written by, Feith of all people. Wow, imagine that!
I feel sorry for you cheerleaders, Meathead, but I guess you can sit there and clap loudly for the dear leader all you want.
Posted by: Leonard Skinner
I see we're beginning to develop the Dems '06 campaign strategy:
1) Well OK, Bush wasn't the only one that lied about the war, but hey, we're the left so we'll pound him anyway.
2) We wail and gnash our teeth at jokes we don't approve of.
3) We believe red staters are uneducated morons (but we want their votes).
I bet the Republican's are quaking in their boots at this hard hitting agenda.
Posted by: conspiracy nut
the POTUS is not supposed to be Joe Schmuck on the corner sampling what everyone else is saying as support of his beliefs.
The POTUS has a solomn obligation to be correct, ESPECIALLY when it comes to invasion.
The POTUS has the largest array of tools and information of ANYONE ELSE IN THE WORLD to make sure s/he is correct.
To abuse the solomn vows of the office of POTUS and twist the massive capabilities of the US for self-serving purpose, to willfully cause massive death, maiming, and destruction is way, way beyond the ability of words to convey the evil vileness of such a being.
.
Posted by: gak
Remember Rummys brilliant line "The abscence of evidence is not the evidence of abscence" When commenting on the lack of any wmd found by the investigators. Sounded like bullshit then and is proven to be bullshit now. Of course they lied to make that war happen, the question is can we get enough evidence put together to prove it in court.
Posted by: tb
Podhoretz is a bought-and-paid-for shill for the Bush administration, and for the neo-fascist, corporate-feudalist ruling class generally.
That's the only thing that needs to be said -- and that's what very much needs to be said, loudly and clearly and repeatedly, about Podhoretz and the rest of his kind, not only in the right-wing extremist media but in the corporate-owned mass media as well.
Stop playing their game and legitimizing them by pretending that they are offering serious "arguments" worthy of serious consideration. They are nothing but bought-and-paid-for propaganda mouthpieces for the Bush regime and for corporate power, period, and everything they have to say is scripted, programmed propaganda.
Posted by: SecularAnimist
Let's always recall that Norman Podhoretz is the author of "Making It" (1967) -- a memoir about how he never let principle stand in the way of his career -- and remember to treat him accordingly.
Posted by: penalcolony
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2005_11/007530.php
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